Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Originally by: thoth foc

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Originally by: Raem Civrie

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I see two sides trying to save face.

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or maybe both sides were just happy with the outcome?

F-E need to hold their stations to live in the area, while we are happy to inflict pain on F-E anyway we can.. F-E obviously feel saving a POS was worth the ship loses, were we dont really care either way.. and killing ships is more fun :)

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OK lets get one thing strait a fully t1 fitted fully insured BS. yea MAJOR losses there.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Im just curious. As an example lets say that atuk have 30bs's + a few dreads and a few cepters & fe has 20bs's + 10 t1 cruisers + 20 t1 frigs. Now while it would be true that we would out number you, why do you guys get so excited about that? Do you really think us having more pilots in frigates while you have more bs's + dreads gives us such a great advantage that you need to boast about it constantly?

I guess my question is why do atuk put so much stock on the 'total potential hostiles in system' number. I had an industy alt docked in the station at the time. That alt cant even use guns. Did that somehow give FE an advantage over you? If not why bring up the numbers? One time I attacked 5 mining barges by myself in an apoc! OMG!!11 They out numbered me 5-1 and I still came out on top!!!111 I guess I won eve.

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Originally by: Recscue

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5 should take a step back and take a look at their own posts

I hear the battle was smackfree IG, why the hate now?

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Thats fair enough. But why do you guys think having more support crafts when you have more battleships is an advantage worth always bringing up? At best its a trade off. Again. Im not really speaking specifically about today. Ive been in several situations where we had a bunch of t1 cruisers and frigs and atuk wanted us to jump in on a bunch of hacs and sniping bs's. When we dont I hear 'omg they outnumbered us and still wont jump in!'. Its total rubbish tbh.

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Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Edited by: Robotek Hybrid on 22/12/2005 05:23:02

Originally by: thoth foc

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Edited by: thoth foc on 22/12/2005 03:44:51

Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Originally by: thoth foc

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Originally by: Raem Civrie

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I see two sides trying to save face.

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or maybe both sides were just happy with the outcome?

F-E need to hold their stations to live in the area, while we are happy to inflict pain on F-E anyway we can.. F-E obviously feel saving a POS was worth the ship loses, were we dont really care either way.. and killing ships is more fun :)

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OK lets get one thing strait a fully t1 fitted fully insured BS. yea MAJOR losses there.

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ok..

count all the digits on your hands (both), now count all the digits on ur feet (both), come back and do ur hands again(both).. (yes i mean do it for a second time) now count 1 foot again (yes count just 1 foot for a second time)

is the number your at now bigger than 1?!?

and yes that prolly hurt u more than F-E losing their ships hurt them..

bah carth.. :P

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lol ok lets REALLY do the math 30 bs lets say teir 2 for the hell of it. thats 30 mill for 100% insurance. that comes out to 900 million isk not including thier ifttings which were likely t1 fittings b/c the ships and their fittings are given to them for free for these fleet battles. so lwets say they lost an ENTIRE 1 billion isk. HEAVEN FORBID that an alliance that mostly spends its time npc hunting an mining lose a billion isk.

not to mention it is spread out across every pilot that lost a ship so you could put it this way.

Everyone that died in a bs tonight lost 30 mill isk. bravo. Now take their stations so they cant make it back tonight.

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Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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Maybe you should have checked some of their fittings before spouting such **** on the forums? Im seein plenty of tech II gear fitted.

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so your going to argue to me that the 100 mill isk loot error margin was ... not enough?

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Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Edited by: Robotek Hybrid on 22/12/2005 06:40:48

Originally by: Carth Jared

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No im just straight and plain proving you wrong. Damage and success isnt just measured in lost ships and modules.

A few things thing you fail to consider in the equation:
1.ratio.
Looking at our losses and then the amount of ships we killed we were more then satisfied at the outcome (I believe its almost 7:1).
2. Morale.
It seems that f-e is just happy they held the system so perhaps its not the big factor here but i'd still say 150+ losses in 1 night leaves a scar.
3. Goal
We achived what we were there to get. A fight.

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wtf does that have to do with anything I wrote. read it understand it then comment. God my own nations school systems are letting me down in the form of this guy ( assuming he's American).

edit forgot to add i think your a ******* moron.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Must be nice to live in such a simplistic world where wars are won and lost strickly from kill vs loss ratio.

You guys knew the d7-zac area has been already lagged to hell. So you saw an opertunity to capitalize on that. You brought down dreads and tried to take out our pos's. We fought you off forcing your dreads to retreat back to their npc station. We did take heavy losses, but we stopped you from achieving your goal. But you had a better kill to loss ratio so you 'win'. What ever makes you feel better I guess.

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Originally by: Robotek Hybrid

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Im not seeing where I said you werent successful..

What your not seeing is where I danced around the fact that your fighting an industrial alliance whose most powerfull weapon is throwing ppl in bs's at you because they can soak the damage. While im arguing pure numbers your claiming victory for inflicting morale blows.

ps: I luv the counter personal attacks were they actual personal attacks, but ofc we'll all IC


hehehe I should be forced to join ATUK the amount im posting tongiht

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: Carth Jared

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I dont see the personal attacks as IC but i do see a difference between calling someone a ******* moron and recognising their age.

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Originally by: Darcuese

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EDIT: Ah, yes, forgat wwhy i quoted VINA's post...yes persh defo look like retarted more and more, tbh

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GG.

Point well taken Carth. Im so glad atuk are on this valant crusade against name calling and smacktalk.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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So personal attacks are fine when your corp members do it, but when other people do it to you its not ok? I understand.

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